An Israel Supporter

This post is about my correspondence with an American. Started from comment on youtube it turn into various topics.. His view on Israel and Palestinian conflict got my interest.. even this may be a personal view it also explain of US stand and policy on Israel Palestine conflict.. you have to read this post from lowest part and move up for latest correspondence


Me 4/3/2009

hi, i get new interest in this issue.. your claim is funny,
It’s ironic that at one time claim as human right champion of the world, at other time claim that it is right to attack others. At one time claim as servant of god of true religion and at other time claims that it is right to rob others - . Condemned dictatorship but claimed it is OK to conquer other country. May be accepted to you for your neighbors to rob and take your land by force.. because he has declared war on you..

By the way .. I would like to hear more of your reason to justify Israel occupation on Palestine beside:

It’s right to conquer other country
Creation of Palestine state same as giving France to Nazis
Deny Israel right to exist like denying formation of USA to American Indian
Without man land to man without land

Even it’s funny… it’s no better to hear from American the Slave of Israel

I don’t know that guy John Locke or whoever phariah he is.. why don’t you quote Bush philosophy of attacking Iraq

I will publish our post on my blog http://newsfreeman.blogspot.com
Hope you can find something useful … for the better of your ignorant and arrogant

Sitdown 27/11/2007

See, the other thing you're forgetting about me comparing it to Hitler is that they're almost identical. You know what Hitler's claim to taking the Rhineland was? He claimed that the Germans had had heritage there for years, so by that right, they should take possesion of it, similar to what the Palesteins want. In reality, they want to be like the Nazis and force Israel out by force, not in a peaceful fashion. In fact, the only situtation in which I can remember them wanting to talk on peaceful terms was when Israel went in and kicked their asses.


Sitdown 27/11/2007

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Actually, you're overlooking the main concept here. YES, IF YOU TAKE OVER LAND IT IS YOURS! I'm sorry to say it, but that's the way it is, if the USA wanted to keep west Europe after WWII they had the right to, if they wanted to keept Afghanistan and Iraq they could too, but we don't because we do not have the intention of conquering, however, at that point, the British did have the idea of conquering. They conquered the land, and thus it became theirs. I'm not sure if you're familiar with John Locke, but his philosophy is the foundation for every true government around the world. When I say true, I mean something other than dictator, etc. He stated that when a country took over another they had all rights over that country, sorry that's just how it works. Isreal has been established as a nation. Britian had every right to do whatever they desired with that land, they could have made it into the worldwide dump for all I care, if that's what they wanted to do, they could have legitimately. I compare it to Hitler with the Rhineland because it is a fair comparision. The palesteins want to take a country they no longer have a claim over by force and act as if it's not, just as Hitler did, so yes, in a sense, they are nazis.


Me 27/11/2007

I agree with you that only Monkey capable of thinking that way.. Would you like to validate that any forces who occupied other people country have their every right on that land and handover to other people who have zero right whatsoever ... would you look beyond 50years before formation of Israel.. Whose land was there? It's historical fact that Palestine has been Palestinian land for 2000 years.. it was not No Man Land.. It wasn't Jews land ..it was Palestinian Land for Palestinian people.. How come Palestinian is the aggressor? Is it defending own right would be regarded as aggressor and the occupier be regarded as victim? or just aggressor playing victim to legitimize their aggression? What a stupid metaphor you want apply by liking giving the land to Palestinian like giving Rhineland to Hitler. It's Palestinian who dwelling on that land for centuries does it look like Hitler with Rhineland?. What I see is vice versa. Everyone who knows about the people who have been native to Palestine for thousand of years recognize their right; everybody except the Jews and people who choose not use their senses or plainly evil. Palestinian were not nomad people, they build fort, palace.. in short great civilization there. Palestine handover as result of war bargain, it is handed over as if France handover to Mexico. Zionism and Jewish movement have been known operating in various countries not excluded British Government. The Zionist indeed has play smart during World War 1 taking opportunity on gullibility on both side. German gladly pledged the land of Palestine to the Jews, but the Allies won in the contest of making promises and submission to Jewry. On Nov 2, 1917 when General Allenby was pushing through Palestine with his British Army, Arthur James Balfour the British Foreign Secretary, issued famous declaration approving Palestine as national home for the Jewish people. It show that plan to give Palestinian land to Jewish not created on 1948 or 1917, but far beyond before that. What happen after that were vicious plan to kick out Palestinian hidden or obvious through economic, education, massacre, ethnic cleansing, illegal settlement etc2 in whatever way that appropriate to satisfy Jewish greed and prepare for formation of Israel. The cycle continue until today, it look like by the message that you want to forward that Palestinian won't have their own independent state regardless of whatever or countless peace organized, it won't if it is just organized to misled the World and to buy more time to grab more land. With US as centre of Zionist movement nowadays and kind of propaganda playing by Zionist controlled there, it won't be surprised that your view just sound like extension of the Zionist mind, but kind of it accepted without go deeper into thoughts is very much regretted.


Sitdown 2/10/2007

To begin, the nation was not Palestein before it was formed into Israel, it was part of the British empire, so they have no claim to that land. Britain decided to allow it to be made into Israel, it was their land and that's what they decided to do with it. Palestein is the agressor, they have advacated taking ISrael by force and destroying it, sound similar to Hitler, I think so. Giving them the land that belongs to ISrael would be like giving Hitler the Rhineland, it is almost identical. Germany didn't have a claim to this land and neither does Palestein. Think simple, because a monkey can understand that Palestein should not be allowed to take over Israel (more) (less)


Me 1/10/07
What a miscalculated argument this has be.. what characteristics that Palestine poses similar to Hitler? Is Palestine the aggressor or they the victim? Does Palestine occupied other nation's land or they driven out from their motherhood land? Did Palestine massacre others or they being massacred by their occupier? Were the Palestinian people come all the way from Europe countries to conquer the land? -- the Jews were.. Hitler occupied other nation's country.. Israel occupied other nation's country.. what country that Palestinian occupied now? Israel=Hitler or Palestine=Hitler? It is pity people from developed country can't pick the obvious one.. Don't matter whether it's a nation or not.. what now if UN decide to take part of California or your state for creation of a new country for people from southern India who has suffered some kind of Holocaust.. existing owners are driven out of their house, your house are demolished.. land are taken.. you force to live at refugee camp surrounded by barbed wire and wall.. yeah a new nation are created.. after 50s year, the legitimacy argument of this nation are stronger.. what would you do? Hailed a new nation? Or you resist and being branded as terrorist? Think deeper bro....
Sitdown 30/9/07

First, to be upfront, if it had been my choice, the US wouldn't have joined the UN and wouldn't have been invovled in this whole mess, but Israel has been established as a nation, how long as the US been around, 200 yrs? So according to you it's not a nation, the indians should still be in charge? Pthey were driven out of this land because they tried to take it by force and when Israel cleaned house with them, they cried and whined, they wanted to us force, but when they get beat they dont' want to use force. Hezbollah is a terrorist organization, and they are supported by Lebonan so Lebanon is a terrorist nation, the same as Iran
and Syria. Palestein, can be easily regarded as Hitler, if you recall the Rhineland, one of Hitler's first areas taken, his argument was that it was "historically german" so it should be reunited with the rest of the nation, is that any different then palestein? No, they want to take the land by force is necessary, and the US giving into these demands (since the UN has no Power) would be like giving land to Hitler (more)

Me 30/9/07
It's sad to acknowledge that bad habit of bush has spread contagiously to American citizen. Lie are regarded as truth.. truth are mask so bad that to find it like searching a black ant in the darkest night. Logics are given so bland to humble human mind. Mind so corrupted, people see sham as true.. I believe yr view is just what is advertised and play in your News and Media.. please don't downgrade yourself.. take a little time for a deep thought and hear what yr inner voice what to say.. if time playback to 50s yrs ago.. Would you give the same argument? does Israel have right to be at Palestine land then? No matter how many years they have been there, if it is not right then.. they have no right to be there now.. do you count how many years Palestinian have been living in that Palestine's Land? Thousand? Million years? How can the rightful owner been regarded as terrorist? The metaphor of like giving France to Hitler is hard to digest.. just blatant exaggerated lie given to the mass again and again until it's accepted as legitimate.. how the critics on Israel was quick labeled as anti Semitism... how action against Israel are regarded as repression, play victim is one favorite act of aggressor.. we see that in Iraq.. justification for Israel war of expansion etc etc.. Israel always portray as victim in US media and US citizen just stupid enough to accept that blatantly... how can the Palestinian be regarded as Hitler.. for what? For being massacred? For being missiled? For being shot at everyday. For being driven out from their land? What you want them to do? Sit back and enjoy the ethnic cleansing....
Sitdown 28/9/07
Play the hitler card? Why? Because that's exactly what's happening in the Israel-Palestein debate. Israel is a country and has been established for over 50 years, the reason why the US doesn't bend to Palestein is because in order to do it, Israel would have to be destroyed, it's only common sense, Hezzbollah and Palestein are terrorists trying to destroy Israel for their own selfish gain and pushing it off as Israel won't give it to them, why would they, it's their property


Me 28/9/07
i disagree with yr way of comparing between creation of palestinian independent state like giving france to Hitler.. who play hitler role now? palestine or israel? or it could be rephrased "like giving palestine to hitler for creation of israel" where u got this kind of view? US always regard themselves as human right champion.. but where is palestinian right? if u believe that israel have every right to be there.. if US UN really sincere .. at least they will create two country side by side.. .. actually i'm tired thinking about this kind of thing huh .. anyway thanks for the emel address

sitdown 27/9/07
To begin, wow, you really hate the jews don't you? THe middle east would still be insecure, that's like saying if we gave hitler poland everything would have been fine. Things would have still happened, just
differently, and ISrael wouldn't be the forefront of their terrorism. I will not state my opinion on Hezebollah since you already know what I'm going to say ;) Why should Iran not have nukes and Israel should, obviously because it is too late to stop Israel, nobody is building nuclear weapons "legally" except for the axis of evil, primarily north korea and iran. The nuke was a great invention no matter how you think of it, it ended world wars and just replaced them with small conflicts because with the threat of world destruction powerful countries don't start wars with each other. Why no palestine state? Because in order to create it, we'd have to destroy Israel, that would be like hitler asking for France and us just saying okay, take it, we just don't want to fight about it. I can't believe you are that much of a coward to be afraid of Muslims that are getting destroyed by us right now. Remember, we've lost about 4000 in 5.5 years, when they've lost hundreds of thousands. Also, look at this small statistic
KOREA - 3 YEARS - 50000IRAQ - 5.5 YEARS - 4000

Me 27/9/07

dear sitdown..
by just simply say alqaeda in iraq before.. would just imply that alqaeda in all /link with all other countries.. inclusively US.. all the instability and terrorism in middle east now are caused by israel. dont u think if the jews choose to pick land in south america as their country there will be no instability in middle east?..there would be no reason for palestinian suicide bomb.. no reason for creation of Hezbollah.. Iran wont be listed as Axis of Evil for supporting Hezbollah.. the Arab wont have any grudge towards US.. no al qaeda.. still possibility of 9/11 but the terrorist wont be Arab but could be the native from amazon keh keh..it's not hard to see why jews come to the picture.. but american people just too naive to realize that their mind and thinking are easily shaped by jews propaganda and media.. who control the US media? how they strongly believe that iraq has WMD... israelis were killed everyday by palestinian, or vice versa? putting end to terror? those jews lobyist and funder are the real one who rule US.. bush and his man are just master of puppet of the puppet citizen... indeed US and Israel are the source of terror.. yr State only created more terrorist! Iran as the next theatre? what theatre? u think this is video game aa? why dont u bring the theatre to yr own backyard! why is iran is so evil? just becoz they help resistance movement of Hezbollah? sorry just love to regard hezbollah as ressistance movement.. sure u would regard them as terrorist.. dont give yr opinion.. coz i already know it.. if not becoz of hezbollah.. Lubnan would simply be part of Israel now... and US would say Israel have the right over it.. if US really sincere about middle east stability.. why there still no independent palestinian state.. for how many years? or they are just buying time before fully erasing palestine word from World Map. what make u people think that u all are so holy that everyone else are so evil? if iran dont have right of
nuclear technology.. what give the israel right to keep nuclear bomb?all know how powerful US military is now.. they could nuke all other continents if they want and would self proclaim america as World. it's dread to see what would happen if power is given to corrupted man.. give me yr emel address.. would love to share "other's view" just to broaden our perspective.. if u dont mind


sitdown 15/9/07
Yes, Al Qaeda was in Iraq before then, but again, if you read my full statement you would see what I implied, if we have a strong ally in the Middle East to help us in stopping terror in that region, then this will assist us greatly in putting an end to terror, and honestly, i see iran as the next theatre. I would love there just to be huge economic sanctions, but the UN are too big of cowards to get anything done, and there'll probably be another case of bribing like with Iraq and France. Not sure what you're referencing in your second statement, you just starting randomly ranting about jews (more) (less

Me – 15/9/07

"I truly agree that the US really only wanted to go into Iraq so that we could get another theater in order to fight the terroists"?????? was there Al Qaeda in Iraq before? now u want to link Osama with Saddam? US has been Saddam alliesbefore (remember how saddam come to power and iran-iraq conflict and who supplied the sarin gas?-US..)so u create the hell in iraq to fight terrorist? theater? the jews occupied other people land - their argument is those jews from russia got ancestral right on the land keh keh what a lame excuse.. the most obnoxius is they harrased/massacred the existing owner of the land and denied their right to co-exist. and these greedy people would never satisfied.. they would ever hungry for more.. the jews=the nazis .. what is the different? Don't worry US will always be the allies



Sitdown 22/7/07

First,I'm curious as to why you post someone else's views instead of stating your own views. However, of course we would support Israel, they are our allies. It makes no sense that we would not help them. I do agree, Israel is only around because of the United States, but remember the US was not the only nation who originally wanted to create Israel, we are just the country who has came through on our promises. The USA didn't want to get involved in the Middle East, but after 9/11 we had no choice, we had to go into Afgahnistatn to defeat Al Queda. I dont' like it, but our nation has the right to defend itself. Obviously, Iraq is an extension on the War on Terror. I don't think anybody in their right mind would argue that Saddum Husein was a good leader to his citizens because he was not. I truly agree that the US really only wanted to go into Iraq so that we could get another theater in order to fight the terroists and we have done that. Now, we are in the midst of a full on battle with the terroists in Iraq. It makes no sense why we would run like cowards when our enemy is sitting right in front of us (Error! Hyperlink reference not valid.)


Me - 21/7/07

what about palestine? the state of prisons

Thu Jul 5, 2007 9:07 pm (PST)

A Declaration of Independence from Israel
by Chris Hedges
Israel, without the United States, would probably not exist. The country came perilously close to extinction during the October 1973 war when Egypt, trained and backed by the Soviet Union, crossed the Suez and the Syrians poured in over the Golan Heights. Huge American military transport planes came to the rescue. They began landing every half-hour to refit the battered Israeli army, which had lost most of its heavy armor. By the time the war was over, the United States had given Israel $2.2 billion in emergency military aid.The intervention, which enraged the Arab world, triggered the OPEC oil embargo that for a time wreaked havoc on Western economies. This was perhaps the most dramatic example of the sustained life-support system the United States has provided to the Jewish state.
Israel was born at midnight May 14, 1948. The U.S.recognized the new state 11 minutes later. The two
countries have been locked in a deadly embrace ever since. Washington, at the beginning of the relationship, was able to be a moderating influence. An incensed President Eisenhower demanded and got Israel's withdrawal after the Israelis occupied Gaza in 1956.During the Six-Day War in 1967, Israeli warplanes bombed the USS Liberty. The ship, flying the U.S. flag and stationed 15 miles off the Israeli coast, was intercepting tactical and strategic communications from both sides. The Israeli strikes killed 34 U.S. sailors and wounded 171. The deliberate attack froze,for a while, Washington's enthusiasm for Israel. But ruptures like this one aproved to be only bumps, soon smoothed out by an increasingly sophisticated and well-financed Israel lobby that set out to merge Israel and American foreign policy in the Middle East.Israel has reaped tremendous rewards from this alliance. It has been given more than $140 billion in U.S. direct economic and military assistance. It receives about $3 billion in direct assistance annually, roughly one-fifth of the U.S. foreign aid budget. Although most American foreign aid packages stipulate that related military purchases have to be made in the United States, Israel is allowed to use about 25 percent of the money to subsidize its own growing and profitable defense industry. It is exempt, unlike other nations, from accounting for how it spends the aid money. And funds are routinely siphoned off to build new Jewish settlements, bolster the Israeli occupation in the Palestinian territories and construct the security barrier, which costs an estimated $1 million a mile. The barrier weaves its way through the West Bank, creating isolated pockets of impoverished Palestinians in ringed ghettos. By the time the barrier is finished it will probably in effect seize up to 40 percent of Palestinian land. This is the largest land grab by Israel since the 1967 war. And although the United States officially opposes settlement expansion and the barrier, it also funds them. The U.S. has provided Israel with nearly $3 billion to develop weapons systems and given Israel access to some of the most sophisticated items in its own military arsenal, including Blackhawk attack helicopters and F-16 fighter jets. The United States also gives Israel access to intelligence it denies to its NATO allies. And when Israel refused to sign the nuclear nonproliferation treaty, the United States stood by without a word of protest as the Israelis built the region's first nuclear weapons program.U.S. foreign policy, especially under the current Bush administration, has become little more than an extension of Israeli foreign policy. The United States since 1982 has vetoed 32 Security Council resolutions critical of Israel, more than the total number of vetoes cast byall the other Security Council members. It refuses to enforce the Security Council resolutions it claims to support. These resolutions call on Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories. (more)

There is now volcanic anger and revulsion by Arabs at this blatant favoritism.Few in the Middle East see any distinction between Israeli and American policies, nor should they. And when the Islamic radicals speak of U.S. support of Israel as a prime reason for their hatred of the United States, we should listen. The consequences of this one-sided relationship are being played out in the disastrous war in Iraq, growing tension with Iran, and the humanitarian and political crisis in Gaza. It is being played out in Lebanon, where Hezbollah is gearing up for another war with Israel, one most Middle East analysts say is inevitable. The U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East is unraveling. And it is doing so because of this special relationship. The eruption of a regional conflict would usher in a nightmare of catastrophic proportions.There were many in the American foreign policy establishment and State Department who saw this situation coming. The decision to throw our lot in with Israel in the Middle East was not initially a popular one with an array of foreign policy experts, including President Harry Truman's secretary of state, Gen. George Marshall. They warned there would be a backlash. They knew the cost the United States would pay in the oil-rich region for this decision, which they feared would be one of the greatest strategic blunders of the postwar era. And they were right. The decision has jeopardized American and Israeli security and created the kindling for a regional conflagration. The alliance, which makes no sense in geopolitical terms, does makes sense when seen through the lens of domestic politics. The Israel lobby has become a potent force in the American political system. No major candidate, Democrat or Republican, dares to challenge it. The lobby successfully purged the State Department of Arab experts who challenged the notion that Israeli and American interests were identical. Backers of Israel have doled out hundreds of millions of dollars to support U.S. political candidates deemed favorable to Israel. They have brutally punished those who strayed, including the first President Bush, who they said was not vigorous enough in his defense of Israeli interests. This was a lesson the next Bush White House did not forget. George W. Bush did notwant to be a one-term president like his father..
Israel advocated removing Saddam Hussein from power and currently advocates striking Iran to prevent it from acquiring nuclear weapons. Direct Israeli involvement in American military perations in the Middle East is impossible. It would reignite a war between Arab states and Israel. The United States, which during the Cold War avoided direct military involvement in the region, now does the direct bidding of Israel while Israel watches from the sidelines. During the 1991 Gulf War, Israel was a spectator, just as it is in the war with Iraq. President Bush, facing dwindling support for the war in Iraq, publicly holds Israel up as a model for what he would like Iraq to become. Imagine how this idea plays out on the Arab street, which views Israel as the Algerians viewed the French colonizers during the war of liberation. "In Israel," Bush said recently, "terrorists have taken innocent human life for years in suicide attacks. The difference is that Israel is a functioning democracy and it's not prevented from carrying out its responsibilities. And that's a good indicator of success that we're looking for in Iraq." Americans are increasingly isolated and reviled in the world. They remain blissfully ignorant of their own culpability for this isolation. U.S. "spin" paints the rest of the world as unreasonable, but Israel, Americans are assured, will always be on our side. (more) Israel is reaping economic as well as political rewards from its lock-down apartheid state. In the "gated community" market it has begun to sell systems and techniques that allow the nation to cope with terrorism. Israel, in 2006, exported $3.4 billion in defense products-well over a billion dollars more than it received in American military aid. Israel has grown into the fourth largest arms dealer in the world. Most of this growth has come in the so-called homeland security sector.

"The key products and services," as Naomi Klein wrote in The Nation, "are hi-tech fences, unmanned drones, biometric IDs, video and audio surveillance gear, air passenger profiling and prisoner interrogation systems-precisely the tools and technologies Israel has used to lock in the occupied territories. And that is why the chaos in Gaza and the rest of the region doesn't threaten the bottom line in Tel Aviv, and may actually boost it. Israel has learned to turn endless war into a brand asset, pitching its uprooting, occupation and containment of the Palestinian people as a half-century head start in the 'global war on terror.' "

The United States, at least officially, does not support the occupation and calls for a viable Palestinian state. It is a global player, with interests that stretch well beyond the boundaries of the Middle East, and the equation that Israel's enemies are our enemies is not that simple.

"Terrorism is not a single adversary," John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt wrote in The London Review of Books, "but a tactic employed by a wide array of political groups. The terrorist organizations that threaten Israel do not threaten the United States, except when it intervenes against them (as in Lebanon in 1982). Moreover, Palestinian terrorism is not random violence directed against Israel or 'the West'; it is largely a response to Israel's prolonged campaign to colonize the West Bank and Gaza Strip. More important, saying that Israel and the US are united by a shared terrorist threat has the causal relationship backwards: the US has a terrorism problem in good part because it is so closely allied with Israel, not the other way around."

Middle Eastern policy is shaped in the United States by those with very close ties to the Israel lobby. Those who attempt to counter the virulent Israeli position, such as former Secretary of State Colin Powell, are ruthlessly slapped down. This alliance was true also during the Clinton administration, with its array of Israeli-first Middle East experts, including special Middle East coordinator Dennis Ross and Martin Indyk, the former deputy director of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, AIPAC, one of the most powerful Israel lobbying groups in Washington. But at least people like Indyk and Ross are sane, willing to consider a Palestinian state, however unviable, as long as it is palatable to Israel. The Bush administration turned to the far-right wing of the Israel lobby, those who have not a shred ofcompassion for thePalestinians or a word of criticism for Israel. These new Middle East expertsinclude Elliott Abrams, John Bolton, Douglas Feith,the disgraced I. Lewis"Scooter" Libby, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz and David Wurmser. Washington was once willing to stay Israel's hand. Itintervened to thwart someof its most extreme violations of human rights. This administration, however, has signed on for every disastrous Israeli blunder, from building the security barrier in the West Bank, to sealing off Gaza and triggering a humanitarian crisis, to the ruinous invasion and saturation bombing of Lebanon.

The few tepid attempts by the Bush White House to criticize Israeli actions have all ended in hasty and humiliating retreats in the face of Israeli pressure. When the Israel Defense Forces in April 2002 reoccupied the West Bank, President Bush called on then-Prime Minister Ariel
Sharon to "halt the incursions and begin withdrawal." It never happened. After a week of heavy
pressure from the Israel lobby and Israel's allies in Congress, meaning just about everyone in Congress, the president gave up, calling Sharon "a man of peace." It was a humiliating moment for the United Sates, a clear sign of who pulled the strings. There were several reasons for the war in Iraq. The desire for American control of oil, the belief that Washington could build puppet states in the region, and a real, if misplaced, fear of Saddam Hussein played a part in the current disaster. But it was also strongly shaped by the notion that what is good for Israel is good for the United States. Israel wanted Iraq neutralized. Israeli intelligence, in the lead-up to the war, gave faulty information to the U.S. about Iraq's alleged arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. And when Baghdad was taken in April 2003, the Israeli government immediately began to push for an attack on Syria. The lust for this attack has waned, in no small part because the Americans don't have enough troops to hang on in Iraq, much less launch a new occupation. Israel is currently lobbying the United States to launch aerial strikes on Iran, despite the debacle in Lebanon. Israel's iron determination to forcibly prevent a nuclear Iran makes it probable that before the end of the Bush administration an attack on Iran will take place. The efforts to halt nuclear development through diplomatic means have failed. It does not matter that Iran poses no threat to the United States. It does not matter that it does not even pose a threat to Israel, which has several hundred nuclear weapons in its arsenal. It matters only that Israel demands total military domination of the Middle East.The alliance between Israel and the United States has culminated after 50 years in direct U.S. military involvement in the Middle East. This involvement, which is not furthering American interests, is unleashing a geopolitical nightmare. American soldiers and Marines are dying in droves in a useless war. The impotence of the United States in the face of Israelipressure is complete. The White House and the Congress have become, for perhaps the first time, a direct extension of Israeli interests. There is no longer any debate within the United States. This is evidenced by the obsequious nods to Israel by all the current presidential candidates with the exception of Dennis Kucinich. The political cost for those who challenge Israel is too high. This means there will be no peaceful resolution of thePalestinian- Israeli conflict. It means the incidents of Islamic terrorism against the U.S. and Israel will grow. It means that American power and prestige are on a steep, irreversible decline. And I fear it also means the ultimate end of the Jewish experiment in the Middle East. The weakening of the United States, economically andmilitarily, is giving rise to new centers of power. The U.S. economy, mismanaged and drained by the Iraq war, is increasingly dependent on Chinese trade imports and on Chinese holdingsof U.S. Treasury securities. China holds dollar reserves worth $825 billion. If Beijing decides to abandon the U.S. bond market, even in part, it would cause a free fall by the dollar. It would lead to the collapse of the $7-trillion U.S. real estate market. There would be a wave of U.S. bankfailures and huge unemployment. The growing dependence on China has been accompanied by aggressive work by the Chinese to build alliances with many of the world's major exporters of oil, such as Iran, Nigeria, Sudan and Venezuela. The Chinese are preparing for the looming worldwide clash over dwindling resources.The future is ominous. Not only do Israel's foreign policy objectives not coincide with American interests, they actively hurt them. The growing belligerence in the Middle East, the calls for anattack against Iran, the collapse of the imperial project in Iraq have all given an opening, where there was none before, to America's rivals. It is not in Israel's interests to ignite a regional conflict. It is not in ours. But those who have their hands on the wheel seem determined, in the name of freedom and democracy, to keep the American ship of state headed at breakneck speed into the cliffs before us.
Chris Hedges, who graduated from Harvard Divinity School and was for nearly two decades a foreign correspondent for The New York Times, is the author of " American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America ."
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Sitdown 23/6/07

What injustices? THe US treats everyone fairly, so I don't see why radicals would want to attack us

Me 23/6/07
coz all the injustices that lead to radicalism

sitdown 20/6/07
Yeah, you guys really need to stop your radicals. They're a pain to everybody and it's kind of like how evolution and global warming is. One scientist with a lot of money belives it and if any scientist disagrees with it, they lsoe their funding, just like how muslims over there are trouble trying to disagree with the radicals. (more)


Me 17/6/07
good to hear from you... it's good if u really believe in yr religion.. coz every religion promote peace

sitdown 17/6/07

First, I think you have the wrong perception, Christians also believe man was born without sin, but using his own acts fell into it. Since this happened, everyone now does fall short of God. See, Mary is not in the trinity because she isn't God, God just chose her because he felt she was bbasically right for the job, I don't know, I'm not God. This is why I am against praying to Mary as many Catholics do, because she was also a sinful human being, so why should I pray to her? The Bible states that through the Holy Spirt (the 3rd part of God) Mary conceived a child who was Jesus, so he was not man, he was born from the Holy Spirit. The Bible talks about how God came to earth in human form so that he could fulfill his promise of a Messiah to ressurect our sins, otherswise we would all be damned. I totally agree, that nobody should repent to a priest. See, what I believe has happened over time is that the original teachings of Jesus were constued for the Catholic church. Jesus said people should take their problems to the church and the public for help if they could not solve them, but never go seeking repentence from them.


Me 17/6/07

yeah.. that was truly honest based on what u believe. coz that is what u know & what u been told/taught since u're born.. what else to believe.. our belief is different but it is not right for me to force upon my belief on you and vice versa.. i'm not a theology expert.. but if u sincerely want to know about other religion specifically islam. i would very much please to give advice based on what i know. i encourage you to study Quran but dont take the meaning literally coz in Quran for every sentence and surah/chapter there are story behind it,i dont know the correct term, generally it mean reason for the sentence revealation.just want to share with u:Islam only believe in ONE God.. we call it Allah (The Oneness of God).. God of before Moses, Noah, Jesus, Muhammad and present. He doesn't have children nor family,He is not a man nor woman, He doesn't have characther and trait of human being, He is the Almighty and nothing is like unto him. the oneness of God was also teaching brought by Jesus but Christian today believe like what u said : 3 part of God, Where is Holy Mary/Mariam position? if this is just like a family would u think they would quarrel sometime? Jesus is man turned God? dont take offence plz.
Man role in this world as God khalifah[The human being is considered the Khalifah (representative) of Allah on earth according to Allah] and servant. Man was born pure. It's he is own choice whether to commit sinful act or good and get pahala/reward. But Allah is The Most Merciful. Christian believe that man are born sinful (contract violation). Christains trust that every one of us falls short of the perfect glory of God because of our sins (imperfections), but the sacrifice of Jesus for our sins was the perfect and ultimate sacrifice; therefore, one can obtain salvation only through seeking faith in Jesus Christ who was crucified and resurrected for all of mankind. We share the same story of Adam and Eve but in Islam mankind are not held responsible for the mistake of Adam. Repentence are direct between man & God not through medium of priest by confession.Correct me if i'm wrong. it's good to know more about Christianity.. But All religions promote peace Those who conceal Allah's revelations in the Book (The Bible), and purchase for them a miserable profit - they swallow into themselves naught but Fire...2:174 (more) (less)
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Sitdown 12/6/07
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Jesus wasn't a prophet, he was God and that's why he ascended into heaven, while every other religion has none. God is split into 3 parts, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Please, d Jesus wasn't a prophet, he was God and that's why he ascended into heaven, while every other religion has none. God is split into 3 parts, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Please, don't ask me how this works, because I simply don't know, I won't know until I get into heaven as the Bible says. There is no way to be sure the Bible has been completely preserved. The only way I know the Bible has been preserved was through God's will, the Holy Spirit. I am curious, how far up does the Quran match the Bible? I'm still not 100% sure, but I know they all match up for a while. I can't see how he would fulfill the promises from God in the old testament since Jesus already fulfilled these. (more) (less



Me 12/6/07
YO dude.. for your clarification.. Muhammad isn't GOD!.. he is just a GOD's Prophet.. Just like other Prophets -Jesus (Isa), Moses (musa), who appointed by GOD to save/guide human being.. (Muslim believe that Jesus body is not crossed.. God has switch his body with a tyrant, Jesus was taken to sky.. & Jesus will back to earth when the time come to fight Dajjal) each prophet send after the true teaching of previous prophet forgotten/misleaded.. study yr bible.. each prophet send after another.. Cristianity, Judaism & Muslim are divine Religion.. we share the same prophet.. Cristianity came after Judaism.. to replace the teaching before.. but ego of the jews wont admit it.. Islam came after Cristian.. but ego of the Christian wont admit it even the sign already mentioned in their Holy Book.. but the Holy book can be changed.. can u confirm that Bible now is AUTHENTIC as what given to Jesus? how many time bible was changed? old tastament? new tastament? But AlQuran is authentic .. u can relate/trace it back from time of prophet until now.. even the first Quran written is still preserved.. i'm not saying which religion is right or wrong.. if you believe in Religion & God.. please learn and research about it (more) (less

sitdown248 May 29, 2007
If Islam is true why is Muhammad buried and dead, yet they couldn't find Jesus' body? No religion debates that Jesus' body was in the grave, they just debate where it was taken. Seems odd that Christianity is the only religion who's God's body isn't here on Earth...